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Clayton Kershaw Avoids Arbitration With 2-Year, $19 Million Deal

Joe Beimel remains the last Dodger to have a salary arbitration hearing. Clayton Kershaw avoided his next two hearings today, signing a two-year deal worth $19 million.

Kershaw will receive a $500,000 signing bonus, $7.5 million in 2012, and $11 million in 2013, per Dylan Hernandez of the LA Times. Kershaw submitted a salary of $10 million in arbitration while the Dodgers countered at $6.5 million. The $8 million Kershaw receives this year is slightly less than the midpoint, but also the second highest salary ever for a pitcher in his first year of arbitration eligibility, trailing only Tim Lincecum.

UPDATE: Tony Jackson of ESPN LA reports that $2 million of Kershaw's 2012 salary is deferred to January 2013.

Kershaw follows a similar path to that of Matt Kemp and Andre Ethier, both of whom signed a two-year deal during arbitration that left them with one year left before free agency once the contract expires.

In a quick and dirty estimate of what it would take to get Kershaw to sign a long-term contract, I was thinking something like $7m/$12m/$17m for the three arb-eligible seasons. Since this contract matches the total for those first two years, this seems like a win for the Dodgers at first glance, with the caveat that signing Kershaw to a long-term deal is still of the highest priority at Chavez Ravine.

The Dodgers have 18 players under contract for 2012 for a total of $85,975,000.

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KERSH BALLIN

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena

by Maddz on Feb 7, 2012 2:08 PM PST reply actions  

Yes, seems to have taken general managers a few years to understand or maybe I’m off the mark.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I want to have 2 names like you man, im jealous

by uschris0304 on Feb 7, 2012 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Decent pay bump there for Clayton.

found a really cool story about my #1 baseball passion (other than the Dodgers): Negro Leagues

by UCLADodger32 on Feb 7, 2012 2:10 PM PST reply actions  

You been to the KC Museum?

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

One day. Probably not for a while with money being so tight, so hopefully it will still be open. I really want to go and then make a little BBQ trip from KC to Memphis to Texas.

by UCLADodger32 on Feb 7, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I want to do a BBQ trip like that too. Don’t see how it wouldn’t be fun.

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

diarrhea

You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.

by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe if you have the constitution of an infant.

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Feb 8, 2012 1:05 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

The 1930s

Pittsburgh Crawfords, Homestead Grays or Kansas City Monarchs would have been very formidable opponents for the Yankees and Athletics.

by bhsportsguy on Feb 7, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

The Brooklyn Dodgers sure weren’t.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Feb 7, 2012 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup. Those dudes could ball back in the day. Some of the best players that ever lived.

by UCLADodger32 on Feb 7, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

One of my favorite books. Every Christmas my Mom buys me a new book that is Negro League related. I think I read that one when I was 13 or 14.

by UCLADodger32 on Feb 7, 2012 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I knew Clayton would wrap things up well before Valentines Day, he has a wife to take out on a nice date, he doesnt have time to deal with arb meetings.

by uschris0304 on Feb 7, 2012 2:17 PM PST reply actions  

probably why he has an agent

You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.

by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah but I was under the impression players showed up at these hearings, but maybe not.

by uschris0304 on Feb 7, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m happy with this news. It shows dedication from the team and a willingness to negotiate in good faith from Kershaw/Kershaw’s agent. I imagine the third year was simply too difficult to handicap as it involved two unknown variables (2012 & 2013 performance). I will be shocked if Kershaw never signs a long-term deal with us.

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 2:18 PM PST reply actions  

basically

the team and Kershaw are in the same place the next time his contract is up and Kershaw saw how they treated Kemp.

by bhsportsguy on Feb 7, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

While the position player market keeps rising [Pujols, Fielder], I wonder if the FA pitching market is slowing down (mega-contract wise). After Yu Darvish, who will be the next $100m commitment?

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Hamels or Lincecum probably.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 7, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Will anyone get the Zito deal?

by Lex in Brooklyn on Feb 7, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

yes, including the several guys who have already done better than Zito since he signed it in 2006

You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.

by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Whats the longets contract given to a pitcher since the Zito deal?

by Lex in Brooklyn on Feb 7, 2012 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

depends if you count CC’s deal plus the extension or not

You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.

by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

johan got 6 years, lee took 5, CC signed for 7 then opted out after 3 and signed a 5 year extension.

You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.

by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Burnett got 5 years

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by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

CJ wilson got 5, Weaver/Verlander/Felix all signed 5 year deals pre-free agency.

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by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Hampton’s 8 year deal soured some teams on long-term deals for pitchers. And BJ Ryan’s 5-year deal was just stupid.

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

not sure there’s ever been a long term deal for a left-handed starting pitcher that the team is happy with by the end of it.

CC could be the first, but even then he didn’t make it to the end of the deal.

You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.

by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I forgot Kei Igawa once got a five year deal . . .

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

think he spent the last 3 years or so of it in the minor leagues

You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.

by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

CC’s original deal with the Yankees was worth more money than Zito got, and one fewer year.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

yes, including the several guys who have already done better than Zito since he signed it in 2006

You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.

by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Hamels is the guy I was forgetting.

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Cain could get paid in a big way after this year too.

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I would bet Hamels does not get 100m

by delias man on Feb 7, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

He is going to get $100 million

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Not after his arm explodes.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

the market for elite pitchers isn’t slowing down, and it’s gone up from Zito to Johan to CC to Halladay to Cliff Lee back to CC

You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.

by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

This is freaking awesome.

by silverwidow on Feb 7, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Well done.

But if Kershaw fails to cover home plate after a wild pitch, then we’re truly golden.

by JonWeisman on Feb 7, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Fun Greek Fact

Hesperia is Classical Greek for “evening”.

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena

by Maddz on Feb 7, 2012 2:24 PM PST reply actions  

Related Latin Fact

Hesperia means “western lands” in Latin.

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena

by Maddz on Feb 7, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s what I was thinking

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena

by Maddz on Feb 7, 2012 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s all Greek to me.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I will now refer to the beach cities as the evening lands

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m going to retire now to Chez Stephen in my beloved beach city. :)

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Inteesting

I assumed it was Classical Greek for “HellHole”

It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?

by mleadman on Feb 7, 2012 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

No

thats what it means in English.

Interestingly enough, its the same definition as Mojave.

/usedtoliveinMojaveandcanconfirmthis

by EMDarrow on Feb 7, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Ned Colletti, King of the Two Year Deals.

by fbihop on Feb 7, 2012 2:26 PM PST reply actions  

Coffey just demanded an extension!

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

he has an option

You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.

by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Eric called it a thinly veiled deferred payment.

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

true that

You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.

by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

This, and the Clemenza comment in the last thread were gold.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Per Tony Jackson

Kershaw is deferring $2 million in this year’s salary to January 2013.

by silverwidow on Feb 7, 2012 2:34 PM PST reply actions  

we where all waiting for it

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Feb 7, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

$5MM this year makes me the winner!

But we all went over

by Michael White on Feb 7, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

signing bonus of $0.5M + Salary of $7.5M – $2M deferred = $6M in 2012, doesn’t it?


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Right. Okay, so I ended up pretty close

by Michael White on Feb 7, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Good catch. Tamin getting props from Ned in that piece. A four-year deal wouldn’t have made much sense to me though.

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Four year discussions? That’s news…

by silverwidow on Feb 7, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure what I’d think about that.

by silverwidow on Feb 7, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

“He obviously was one of our own since the beginning,” Colletti said. “We watched him mature and get better and more refined as somebody who had plus, plus talent and needed the experience to match it. He is a student of the game. He learns what he needs to do, and then he can execute it in the midst of a game. That is the mark of the beast.”

Bolding and typo mine. It’s really “best.”

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

BREAKING: Clayton Kershaw signs 30-year, $666 million deal with Dodgers.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Kinbote just turned that upside down and signed himself to a $999 deal.

Still chasing the dream of mediocrity

by Humma Kavula on Feb 7, 2012 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel like I’m being the reverse of trolled—and I’m loving it.

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 6:39 PM PST up reply actions  

$8M is 3% less than $8.25M. Tony Jackson didn’t major in math.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Bugs Bunny never studied law

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Cecil Turtle never lost

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Tweety never studied linguistics or optometry.

Still chasing the dream of mediocrity

by Humma Kavula on Feb 7, 2012 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

or first name knowledge/spelling :)

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Wasn’t Wild the fat cousin to Wily?

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Wile E.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Feb 7, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

You just compared yourself to the Astro’s, how does that feel?

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Though he doesn’t have a degree to show for it, Foghorn Leghorn is an ACME-certified linguist.

by ishXdavid on Feb 7, 2012 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I am seeing veiled tweets that

there is not good news re Chauncy Billups coming out soon

by bhsportsguy on Feb 7, 2012 2:40 PM PST reply actions  

Now seeing tweets

that the Clipper are considering JR Smith and more importantly, Billups is out for the season with a torn Achilles tendon. But nothing from Clippers as yet.

by bhsportsguy on Feb 7, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

That sucks. I liked Chauncey a lot.

Sucks more for Chauncey than anything else really. If anywhere, the Clippers actually have depth at guard so the team can deal with this. Really a bummer for him though.

by Michael White on Feb 7, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

And

it is now official, he might not be back until next season’s training camps start in September.

by bhsportsguy on Feb 7, 2012 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

We have depth a point guard, shooting guard not so much. Foye can step in but Mo and Paul is one short set of guards.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

What are our external options assuming Josh Smith goes to NY?

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Landry Fields is the Clipper blogs rumor of the day. Fields for Mo.

Which would be awesome.

by Michael White on Feb 7, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

YCT…

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Feb 7, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

N/A. The Clippers definitely still want Mo. I think he only gets moved in the case of a perfect fit coming back on the other end….

by Michael White on Feb 7, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I haven’t seen the Knicks much, 2nd round pick, must have made quite an impression. 3 point% kind of blows. 6’7 is nice, I’m guessing he’s considered a top defender?

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Defender, rebounder, effecient scorer. He’s like a WP superstar.

by Michael White on Feb 7, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m guessing he sucks in the 4th quarter compared to Billups. I’ve no doubt we can replace Chauncey’s game production but I doubt we can replace his balls.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

We have this Chris Paul guy…

And clearly Blake Griffin has fixed his free throw approach as he owned the free throw line yesterday. WGT

by Michael White on Feb 7, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Realistically we were a stretch to be contenders this year, but having a playoff backcourt of Chauncey/Paul gave it a shot. We could end up with second best record in the West but our playoff hopes took a dump with Billups.

Not complaining, this season will still own but anyone who thinks this does not hurt is kidding themselves.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

If the NBA went back to the tighter short-shorts, it would be easier to get the balls readings on these guys.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

#nolosho

OK, I’m done

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Old guy gets hurt… Clippers curse!!!!

by Michael White on Feb 7, 2012 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Billups sacrificed himself onto the Clipper Curse to save the young ones.

by uschris0304 on Feb 7, 2012 3:45 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

what is worse then a troll?

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

engineers

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Feb 7, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

GFY!
;-)


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

down by the river

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Feb 7, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

in a van

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Feb 7, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Tent rolls.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Feb 7, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Bobcats

You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.

by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Resides in Charlotte.

Houston Trolls.

You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.

by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Los Angeles Cougars as the new football team?

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by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

/EverySportsTalkRadioHostEver

by fbihop on Feb 7, 2012 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

oh my god that must hurt so much

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena

by Maddz on Feb 7, 2012 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Total win for the Dodgers

Even if Kershaw has any thoughts or feelings about not being sufficiently appreciated by the Dodgers…new ownership is around the corner!

Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.

by latenite on Feb 7, 2012 2:41 PM PST reply actions  

This is great news!

A 5+ year deal would have been even better, but its good to have him locked in and happy for the next two.

by BFDC on Feb 7, 2012 2:58 PM PST reply actions  

Likely taking my fantasy season with him. Between him and Ginobili, I am not looking so good right now.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Feb 7, 2012 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

What do your league standings look like right now?

by Xeifrank on Feb 7, 2012 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m #6/12. Things were looking up with Paul being healthy, but it’s not looking good anymore.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Feb 7, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

You had Chauncey Billups on your fantasy team?

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, and now I have to replace him with Luke Ridnour probably. Bleah.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Feb 7, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Mo Williams?

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by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Taken. Some jackass cut him a couple of weeks ago.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Feb 7, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Josh Smith?

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Its JR Smith, not Josh Smith, unless Clips are trying to trade for the Hawks forward.

by uschris0304 on Feb 7, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

or Earl Smith the 3rd if you really wanna get technical

by uschris0304 on Feb 7, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Right, still reeling from Wily

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

According to Wins Produced ( a composite metric), Ridnour is having a considerably better year than Billups anyway.

by Michael White on Feb 7, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I have no doubt, but my league inexplicably doesn’t use that as a category.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Feb 7, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course, but the inputs of the metric are things like points, FG%, rebounds, assists, etc. Can’t be too far off from the categories you use.

by Michael White on Feb 7, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

They are pretty similar actually. I didn’t realize how much better Luke is in FG%

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Feb 7, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Ridnour has been getting his minutes too since MIN quickly realized that the two best players in their backcourt were him and Rubio so they are playing both as much as possible.

by Michael White on Feb 7, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I assumed Nolij was in a single-category fantasy league, and that category is free throw percentage.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I was definitely going to make that joke. Free throws made count for 50% of the fantasy points!

by Michael White on Feb 7, 2012 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Wasn’t Billups averaging 15 points and 4 assists

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, and that still prompts the question.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m not as screwed as I thought, mostly it’s just annoying to have to get a different dude.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Feb 7, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder if Kmart would still have gone to Clips even with this happening. Besides money, I thought maybe playing with Billups was a key reason he chose Clippers. Also felt JR Smith would go to Clips as well to reunite with his Nugget buds….he still may go now anyways because he would start at SG and play an even bigger role now I think.

by uschris0304 on Feb 7, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

JR seems like a money guy and we can’t match the Knicks for money. We will find out soon enough.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

FWIW, He is currently owned in 86% of Yahoo leagues. I think it was 89% when I dropped him and probably even higher yesterday.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Feb 7, 2012 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Payroll worksheet is updated. Don’t anticipate too many big changes between now and opening day.

Dodgers have 18 players under contract in 2012 for $85.975 million.

Dead money is $22,262,432

Remaining seven 25-man roster slots, plus one more for Rubby on the DL, at $3,925,000

Total: $112,162,432

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 3:10 PM PST reply actions  

If anyone was wondering (and I’m sure you were), the payroll worksheet has 7,561 words in the post.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Half of those are Adam Kennedy incentive details.

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 4:03 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

MLS releases no contract information. It’s frustrating. There was a press release I saw earlier in the season where the Clippers didn’t release contract information, but I don’t think that’s for all contracts, this was that D-League guy.

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Is there a salary cap in MLS? Is there a limit to how many out of country players you can sign?

by uschris0304 on Feb 7, 2012 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

correct me if i’m wrong, but I believe there is a very low salary cap but each team is allowed to have two players who don’t count towards the cap.

You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.

by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, im reading about it now… the designated player rule, nicknamed the Beckham rule.

by uschris0304 on Feb 7, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd

Damn, I knew there was a joke there.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I just did a dance around my room

yes there is a salary cap in MLS, teams are given a budget of $2.6 million. You’re allowed three designated players, who you can pay out of pocket and only count for 335k against the budget.

A team is given 8 international spots, which can be traded, so some teams have 7, some 9

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

can only trade 1?

You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.

by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

you can trade them all if you like, just trying to illustrate that 8 isn’t a fixed number

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

thats why i asked

You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.

by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

The vast majority of teams in the big three/four/five pro sports don’t release any contract info.

Some teams do, sometimes. But it is rare.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Blue Jays and White Sox come to mind as teams that include contract info in their press releases, but it is not all the time. I think the Phillies official Twitter account tweeted one of their relievers signed for $1.15 million last week or so.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

so the Dodgers are a rare bird? Are most sportswriters then like MLS writers who depend of the players union to release contract info?

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

The Dodgers never release contract info, other than the length of the deal.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

ah see, we don’t even get that in our releases, we don’t know who’s out of contract until they start tweeting about it.

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

is there a MLSPA?

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by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

yup, almost went on strike a few years back over the tiny tiny salaries

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

On the Juninho and Leonardo press release, it was announced Juninho is on loan for 2012 and that Leonardo “joined the club permanently on a free transfer.”

The Leonardo part is what you are talking about? A free transfer could be of any length?

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

free transfer refers to the nature of acquisition, same thing as free agent, but across international lines. But for him, for any rookies drafted, any MLS players signed, we don’t know when their contract ends unless their Press Conference level like Beckham, where you can ask right there

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Feb 7, 2012 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Kit


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

and even with Beckham, we were told two year deal, and when we asked if that’s two solid years or one year with an option Leiweke essentially said “wouldn’t you like to know”

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Follow up being “seriously, we’re gonna find out in a couple hours, just tel us”

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by regfairfield on Feb 7, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

(sotto voce) “smug motherfucker”


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

To your second question, yes. Either through the players union or agents or team sources

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

so Dylan Hernandez hears Kershaw got a two year contract, and he’s on the horn trying to get dollar figures. Must be cool to have the LA Times nane to burst doors open for you.

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I think being from the Times gets your phone call answered. Being a good dude like Dylan gets your questions answered.

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by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Being an asshole also gets your questions answered, i dont’ see a correlation.

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by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

There’s got to be no less than a dozen news reporters asking that question. I don’t tell Simers.

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by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

You also don’t happen to hold the gate keys

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by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Fezzik, tear his arms off.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Feb 7, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Or wait a few hours until everyone is updated, the instant gratification of information that will not change if you know it now or five hours from now is fascinating.

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by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

“as first reported by” has kept Ken Rosenthal employed

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by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Only because you all care, the question is why?

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by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Because Eric has spreadsheets to update!


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

and because no one reads the fifth article about Kershaw’s contract, they read the first

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

What players make has been a fascination since professional sports started.

Even back 100 years ago, Walter Johnson wrote an article about how unfair the Reserve Clause and on the other extreme, you had the $100,000 infield in Philadelphia.

Money is always an interesting topic.

by bhsportsguy on Feb 7, 2012 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

especially since there’s that financial investment if you’re a fan. Same with following local politics, or companies you own stock in, it’s a matter of “how’s my money being spent”

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

What do boxing and the Golden Girls have in common?

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Big purses. Goodnight everybody!

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

and I used to watch and enjoy both in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not questioning the thirst for knowledge I’m just questioning why everyone is so concerned that they have to have the info instantly since it is not a dynamic situation but a static one. Once the contract is signed nothing is going to change. Knowing before Bob knows because they have 4G instead of 3G is whack a doodle.

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by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Not that they have to break every story, but part of the beat writers’ jobs is to be an insider and (a) provide news that nobody else yet has; and (b) establish themselves as a trusted source of information, in both directions

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, that has never changed. Just seems pointless to me in today’s world. Instead of leaks the information can be disseminated by the organizations in charge of the information by simply Tweeting to everyone who gives a crap (followers) when the information is final. No need for middle people.

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by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

why would those in charge willingly spread information beyond the most basic facts?

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Whatever eventually gets leaked might as well be controlled by those in control. Then the leakers lose their leverage and have to get their noses out of someone ass and do something productive.

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by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed on most news but its understandable why a team wouldn’t release financial info, at least not officially.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

and as long as there are people who want that info, as well as game analysis, then an industry has a role

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Because we want to make the first snarky comments.


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Apparently

Simers was having lunch with Coach VDN when VDN got the text about BIllups.

by bhsportsguy on Feb 7, 2012 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

HA

I’ve never heard of him being referred to as something that sounds like it requires a visit to the clinic.

by ishXdavid on Feb 7, 2012 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Better than Billups getting the text about VDN, you’re saying?

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Feb 7, 2012 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

The guy who was the beat writer for the giants has moved on to csn to cover them, but someone snatched up the new twitter handle he was going to use and is trolling giant fans

Baggs CSN @BaggsCSN

Sources: Matt Cain being shopped to Dodgers for Andre Either and prospects

by Billyum on Feb 7, 2012 3:13 PM PST reply actions  

a) That is pretty funny
b) Baggarly moved? That must have been very recently; I think I linked to a piece of his from the San Jose Mercury News from this weekend in the Giants’ review.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah apparently he is just in the process of moving right now

by Billyum on Feb 7, 2012 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I saw it announced and confirmed on twitter today.


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Isn't that Andrew "I gave an MVP vote to Jeremy Affeldt" Baggarly?

Or was it a Cy Young vote. Either way.

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by Ivdown on Feb 8, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

So my twitter really blew up today

With the [politics redacted] news, Kershaw signing, the “baseball boyfriend” kerfuffle, Billups medical report, there have been tweets galore.


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 3:36 PM PST reply actions  

take all that, add in Juninho resigning with the LA Galaxy and you have my twitter-splosion.

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

twitter invested in a whole new warehouse of server space to be able to handle the Juninho news.

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by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Were you able to catch ManU-Chelsea in the midst of all the SB madness? What a freaking game! I’ve watched it twice already on my DVR.

by ishXdavid on Feb 7, 2012 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

well it happened seven hours before the SB : ) Yeah it was amazing, as a United fan I let out a cheer with Chicharito’s equalizer

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

What the hell happened to Chelsea? It seems like yesterday they were the Miami Heat of the EPL =X

by ishXdavid on Feb 7, 2012 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Well Drogba’s in Africa for the Cup of Nations, and Anelka left for China

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I had an indoor soccer game on Sunday. I left at halftime when it was 1-0, and the indoor place had a small TV with the game on and I saw Chelsea go up 3-0 before my game started.

Then, after my game, I was informed that it was 3-3.

Missed a terrific game, apparently.

by fbihop on Feb 7, 2012 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

insofar as any soccer game could be called “terrific”.

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by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Who cares about Chelsea. How did you team do?

by Xeifrank on Feb 7, 2012 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Lost 5-1. My coed team is pretty terrible, I’m pretty sure there are only two of us who have played more than a year or two of soccer.

I scored a nice goal and had a couple more I should have scored but I’m just too damn out of shape.

by fbihop on Feb 7, 2012 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

twitter free since 1993

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by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

You’re a “baseball boyfriend”? WTF???

by KellyStephen on Feb 7, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Baseball boyfriend

link. There were a lot of hilarious tweets in my timeline bashing this.


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Were they mostly of the “Vicente Padilla sure is unattractive kekekekeke” ilk?

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by Nolij on Feb 7, 2012 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

No, I said they were hilarious.


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I know the

fangraphs interview with Logan White came up in an earlier comments section, but this bit about Nathan Eovaldi caught me eye:

"We took him in the draft and then worked him out that summer, when we went in to play the Astros. I had Nathan throw for Joe Torre and Rick Honeycutt. I introduced him to everybody, which I think helped us. He was going to go to Texas A&M — he was going to be a tough sign — but I left him alone with Chad Billingsley, James Loney, Matt Kemp, and all those guys. I said, ’talk to them’ and walked away. I had no idea what they’d say — whether they would tell him to sign or to not sign — and obviously they made a good impression on him.


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 3:46 PM PST reply actions  

Notice he did not let him talk to Andre

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by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Dre can't know any prospect

It’s so they don’t get a big head

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by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 7, 2012 3:49 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I just hope he took the how to find a girlfriend advice from Bills, the how to walk an icy staircase advice from Loney, and the how to drive a sports car advice from Kemp.


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

He busy doing zumba at the time.

by ishXdavid on Feb 7, 2012 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

NTTAWWT


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

What’s the TBLA equivalent of this situation?

by silverwidow on Feb 7, 2012 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Not Chad

It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?

by mleadman on Feb 7, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Meeting Vin in the press room? (I have not had the good fortune yet.) No, that is better than the above.

Being treated nicely by the beat writers?


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Obviously lvdown getting the “man talk” at the one TBLA game I attended.

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

So Sweet!!!

that is all now back to work…..

by MammothDodger on Feb 7, 2012 4:13 PM PST reply actions  

Hey Nolander

The Texans picked up Karl Dorrell to be the new QB coach? Good luck!

by ishXdavid on Feb 7, 2012 4:17 PM PST reply actions  

Did a pretty good job with Matt Moore last year

really, in general, he has done a great job as an assistant everywhere he has gone. If Kubiak thinks he is the right fit he probably is.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Feb 7, 2012 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

He was a pretty good WR coach in Denver

though that was a long time ago. Wasn’t the greatest HC at UCLA but as QB coach should be solid.

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by underdog on Feb 7, 2012 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's a correlation for you

No QB who led the regular season yardage category has ever won the Super Bowl

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 4:20 PM PST reply actions  

I think part of that is because

when a QB is throwing that much, either its because the defense or running game are poor, and you are either having to air it out to catch up or stay in front of the other team, or because you can’t use your running game to run down the clock.

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by nolander on Feb 7, 2012 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Apparently Maria Menuonos lost a Super Bowl bet

involving her wearing a Patriots colored biking in Times Square in winter temperatures.


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 4:23 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Hot damn

Always thought was incredible looking.

by silverwidow on Feb 7, 2012 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

technically its giants colored isn't it?

but the teams have the same colors anyways so who can tell.

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by nolander on Feb 7, 2012 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

It is a Giants bikini

She is a Pats fan (and Celtics fan).

If one were to find and watch video of this, one might see a small NY Giants logo on the left side of the left breast of the bikini. You know, if one were to Google such a thing and find a video of this.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, I got confused for some reason and said it backwards


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

… and if one were to magnify the video 100×...


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

If one had a conference room projector in their office….

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

There are a lot of those in Chatsworth.


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Weird. The combination of “number” “x” “period” with no spaces caused that x to be vertically centered.

100x
100×.
100×...
x.
5×.


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Well

5×3 makes sense, by why with a period instead of a number following the x ?


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

because the magical elves that make my words appear don’t know the difference between 3×5 and 4×.

Though apparently 4x? won’t work or 4x!

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Because if you were multiplying by a decimal, you might write 4×.5 for instance.

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by Nolij on Feb 7, 2012 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Lame. I would always write the zero: 4×0.5


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by David Young on Feb 8, 2012 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

so that when I say Chris Paul is 10000x the LA sports figure Kobe Bryant is right now, my trolling doesn’t get confused with poor math.

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by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

just post the david beckham ad

or pictures of The Todd. Gotta go nuclear on this.

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by nolander on Feb 7, 2012 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, why pander to the 99.9% when the .01% are so clearly left out of the loop.

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by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Everybody’s pandering, pandering. Da da da da dada da.

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Wasn’t she pandering by making the bet in the first place? No one insisted that her end of a bet involve flashing her bod, nor did she have to take that bet.

But yeah, I’m pandering to some of the commenters here.


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

If we want to get into the layer behind the layer, yes a hot woman wearing a bikini in New York in winter knows exactly what she’s doing

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course.


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

But does she have a baseball boyfriend?


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

typical engineer

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by nolander on Feb 7, 2012 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t get it.


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm just being stupidly passive aggressive

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by nolander on Feb 7, 2012 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Fuck that

LET’S THROW HANDS!


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

x

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Feb 7, 2012 4:53 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

What about the other .09%?

It had to be done.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Feb 7, 2012 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m having a hard time telling if she is cold or not

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by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

It was around 48-50 degrees

and sunny yesterday afternoon in mid-town Manhattan.

by bhsportsguy on Feb 7, 2012 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

So she was cold.


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

For us

that seems cold, for middle of winter in NY, it probably feels okay.

by bhsportsguy on Feb 7, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Every time I go out in a bikini in Hesperia (i.e., Thursdays) in that weather, I am not that cold. But I weigh a tad more than Ms. Menuonos.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

she had a big fluffy robe she wore between takes, and she was never on camera more than fifteen seconds. In the video. Which is on the internet.

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Probably not while one is nearly nude.


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I for one am glad she lost.

Because fuck the Patriots.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 4:28 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Doesn’t look that cold to me

It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?

by mleadman on Feb 7, 2012 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Tripon’d


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I had to work

It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?

by mleadman on Feb 7, 2012 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

She loses a bet, and we all win!

by ishXdavid on Feb 7, 2012 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Honestly we could do better by walking the beaches of Hermosa and randomly selecting 20 girls in about 20 minutes. JMO

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by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

It wouldn’t come with AC Slater.

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by regfairfield on Feb 7, 2012 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you this guy

The first week of January, in Homer Glen, Illinois, a man (name not given) was at a bar called Mullets Sports Bar & Restaurant. They have photos of famous mullets on the wall, including one of Mario Lopez as A.C. Slater. The man ripped the photo off the wall and smashed the frame on the ground. His excuse to the owner? “I just don’t like Slater.”

Where I come from, when you don’t like Slater, you convince him to move to Hawaii, you give Mr. Belding a Buddy Band to make them uncool, or you enter him into a beauty pageant but tell everyone he beat up Screech so no one cheers for him. Tearing his photo off the wall and breaking a frame (which police later estimated at $11) isn’t going to win you the title of Bayside’s top hunk. Amateur.

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by regfairfield on Feb 7, 2012 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

hater

You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.

by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

i dunno

she’s pretty tiny

I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness @madeleine_arena

by Maddz on Feb 7, 2012 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I figure no obviously visible rib cage, no foul.

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by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 5:16 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

you know what i mean. when a woman, or man for that matter, is too skinny the first noticeable thing is a protruding rib cage. She’s thin, but she’s not nicole richie.

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by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Back in 2008, Maria

gave interviews on how back in college (she is now 33) she was a size 14 (at 5 foot 8), she described her workout plan and diet and for the last several years has been reportedly a size 4 (I have no idea how female sizes work).

by bhsportsguy on Feb 7, 2012 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

she’s not a 0, wouldn’t have thought she was, but 4 is model size. In The Devil Wears Prada, there’s a whole subplot about how Anne Hathaway’s character is a six, and that’s SO HUGE for someone in the fashion industry.

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

also

I’m 5’9, and a few sizes down from her college weight (will not say exact number)

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Your hair is a size 14 though.


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Don’t understand the fascination with skeletons.

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by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

As some comedian once said, sleeping with her would be like lying on a pile of coat hangers.


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I imagine in real life w/out the camera “adding 10 pounds”, I would agree wholeheartedly.


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Ned acknowledges Prince bidding

link

“Considering we signed Matt long term, Clayton to a multi-year [deal] and made a strong bid for Prince Fielder, Frank deserves a lot of credit for trying to put the organization in the best possible position,” said general manager Ned Colletti.

by silverwidow on Feb 7, 2012 4:27 PM PST reply actions  

I know these things are not that important, but I’m really curious what the plan for Loney would’ve been. Traded? LF? LOOGY?

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Brewer 1st baseman

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by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Tonight (tonight), let it be Loneybrau.


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by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Gurnick

also mentions that a four year plus an option deal was discussed.

Now that’s something I would have liked. Probably would have approached nine figures.

by silverwidow on Feb 7, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

not when Felix and Verlander signed for 5/80 and 5/78. Why would Kershaw have gotten 20% more than them?

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by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Probably 10% more, which is “approaching” :)

by silverwidow on Feb 7, 2012 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

In case you wanted to hear the 911 call from one of the cars James Loney hit in November, TMZ has it.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 4:30 PM PST reply actions  

Funniest thing you may ever have posted

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Easy rec or easiest rec?


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

then later 0118 999 881 999 119 7253

You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.

by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Kareem and

Zooey: (click on pic for full size in new tab/window)


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 4:31 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I almost retweeted a picture this morning of Kareem at The View with some snarky comment, but ended up not doing it.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

So is paying Kershaw 8 this year with two deferred and 10.5 next year any different than 6.5 this year and 12.5 next year? I can’t even think of luxury tax loopholes.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 7, 2012 4:56 PM PST reply actions  

It is when “oh my God I don’t have any money right now”

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Poorly phrased it. Why say 8/10 million with 2 differed instead of just 6/12.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 7, 2012 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Sets the salary standard for future arbs differently. I assume MLBPA likes the former.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Makes sense to me.

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by regfairfield on Feb 7, 2012 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Josie Signal

Does Everton have a chance?

You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.

by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 5:17 PM PST reply actions  

so glad HJ isn't here

they’re 11th in the league table, so not likely to finish in the top 6 which would get them a European tour. They’re still in the FA Cup, and they have Blackpool next so they’ll likely make it to the Quarterfinals, then it’s all on who you draw. They won’t be relegated, that’s for sure.

by Josie Becker on Feb 7, 2012 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I cannot believe I missed the hashtag subthread. I would submit one here, but for the last four hours, I have been screamed at by a sick baby. Four goddam hours straight of screaming baby. I am ready to kill myself.

Still chasing the dream of mediocrity

by Humma Kavula on Feb 7, 2012 6:01 PM PST reply actions  

That situation is the worst. Been there – it is so stressful.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

at least you learned your lesson the first time

You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.

by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, not exactly. We ended up with only one child. That was not our preference.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

The bright side is that she is still sick and the daycare has a 24-hour-symptoms free policy, which means I get to do it again tomorrow.

/killsselfforcingBridetotakecareofneworphan

Still chasing the dream of mediocrity

by Humma Kavula on Feb 7, 2012 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Is there enough gin?

You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.

by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

worded poorly

not enough gin to kill you, but enough gin so that you make it through

You're not yet drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on.

by G.Scott on Feb 7, 2012 6:13 PM PST up reply actions  

the only word Humma associates with gin is

More

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 7, 2012 6:27 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

You are doing good work. Parenting demands everything yet gives few rewards. I hearby give you an internet pat on the back. (I’ve also been enjoying your Pale Fire comments directed at me.)

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

We have kinda exhausted my knowledge of Pale Fire. Zembla reference, Shade reference, that’s all I got.

Wait, I’ve got one more. I just thought of it. It’ll appear upthread!

Still chasing the dream of mediocrity

by Humma Kavula on Feb 7, 2012 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

If it makes you feel any better (and I hope it doesn’t), my 2.5 year old just held the entire household hostage for an hour while he stalled going poop and my 6 year old & I spent a while today arguing over throwing trash away. To top it off, my wife and I appear to be some sort of cold war. Looks like I picked the wrong month to quit drinking.

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

is there a right month?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Feb 7, 2012 6:43 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

The only month to even attempt such a maneuver is February, what with its fewer days.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m on a 31 day health kick (ending with the first spring training game March 5th). Moderation sucks.

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

You’re gonna get so wasted on March 5th.

by fbihop on Feb 7, 2012 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m going to need to. We suck this year :)

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, in my deepest delirium, I fantasize about Ethier/Kemp/Loney/Rivera emerging as a solid middle of the lineup. I still worry about the #2 spot in the lineup and much much more.

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you sure you’re not drunk now?

by fbihop on Feb 7, 2012 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

You probably shouldn’t have built that retaining wall in the back yard. I can still hear Mrs. Kinbote from here:

“Kinbote, tear down that wall!”

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I specialize in stupid mini-snaps (usually an implosion linked with some small self-destructive gesture like kicking a barbeque or punching a door.) About five minutes ago I ripped my zip-up sweatshirt.

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, I totally picked a fight with Bride last night. We had to set aside our private conflict, though, as we re-engaged our war against our children.

Still chasing the dream of mediocrity

by Humma Kavula on Feb 7, 2012 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

You should be more careful; she could just hammer you into the ground with her fist.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Litters are so useful, when the young meerkats give us trouble we just put them outside the burrow and let Mr. Hawk handle the situation. You only have to do that once per litter and they round into shape fairly quickly after that.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

TBLA favorite Dave Cameron lists the top ten transactions of the offseason (Carlos Beltran is #1)

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-10-best-transactions-of-the-winter/

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 6:45 PM PST reply actions  

*SIGH*
#6 -Yankees Sign Hiroki Kuroda for 1/$10M


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 7, 2012 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

[rips kinbote’s sweatshirt]

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

give me a sleeve

I must wipe away my tears

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 7, 2012 6:55 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Nothing lasts forever, even cold November rain.

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

one of the all-time greats

never meant to cause you any sorrow
never meant to cause you any pain

(that songs kills me every time)

by kinbote on Feb 7, 2012 7:54 PM PST up reply actions  

x

Still chasing the dream of mediocrity

by Humma Kavula on Feb 7, 2012 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of Blake, what young actor will kill his wife 30 years from now, 10 years after they stopped being relevant in the industry?

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Giovanni Ribisi

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Feb 7, 2012 11:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Was Ellis number two?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Feb 7, 2012 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh he’s number two all right.

Still chasing the dream of mediocrity

by Humma Kavula on Feb 7, 2012 8:01 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

That is why the child is crying

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Feb 7, 2012 8:02 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s her diaper, let her change it.

Still chasing the dream of mediocrity

by Humma Kavula on Feb 7, 2012 8:02 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s what I told the social worker

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Feb 7, 2012 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

With the signing of Jamey Wright, Josh Bard, and Adam Kennedy, one has to wonder if any other crappy ex – Mariners think the Dodgers are the best place to land for work in 2012.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Feb 7, 2012 8:13 PM PST reply actions  

Monta Ellis has 30 points at halftime against OKC tonight

by Eric Stephen on Feb 7, 2012 8:44 PM PST reply actions  

Never watched Baseball IQ before just now

But it was pretty impressive watching the guy from the HOF name all 16 MVPs from the 1980s.

Still chasing the dream of mediocrity

by Humma Kavula on Feb 7, 2012 9:31 PM PST reply actions  

There weren’t 20 ?


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 8, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Multiple winners like Schmidt and Murphy shorten the total number.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 9, 2012 8:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Jump on in Mr. Soon-Shiong!

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-0208-dodgers-soon-shiong-20120208,0,2638355.story

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Feb 7, 2012 9:38 PM PST reply actions  

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Pos No Player 2012 Salary
C 17 Ellis $490,000
1B 7 Loney $6,375,000
2B 37 Herrera $375,082
3B 6 Hairston $2,250,000
SS 9 Gordon $485,000
LF 23 Abreu $401,311
CF 10 Gwynn $850,000
RF 16 Ethier $10,950,000

OF/1B 33 Van Slyke $388,197
2B/3B 3 Kennedy $800,000
OF/1B 30 Sands $375,175
IF 13 DeJesus $448,992
C 18 Treanor $850,000

SP 22 Kershaw $6,000,000
SP 58 Billingsley $9,000,000
SP 29 Lilly $12,000,000
SP 44
Harang $3,000,000
SP 35 Capuano $3,000,000

CL 74
Jansen $491,000
RHP 52 Lindblom $483,000
RHP 51 Belisario $414,426
RHP 54 Guerra $488,000
RHP 28
Wright $900,000
LHP 57 Elbert $488,500
RHP 60 Coffey $1,000,000

DL 27 Kemp $10,000,000
DL 21 Rivera $4,000,000
DL 12 Sellers $481,000
DL 5 Uribe $8,000,000
DL 55 Guerrier $4,750,000
DL 14 Ellis $2,500,000
60DL 36 Hawksworth $495,000
60DL 41 De La Rosa $485,000

AA 50 Eovaldi $7,885
AAA 56 Antonini $7,869



Manny $8,087,432 deferred


Andruw $3,375,000 deferred


Pierre $3,050,000 deferred
Furcal $3,000,000 deferred
Kuroda $2,000,000 deferred
Garland $1,500,000 option buyout
Blake $1,250,000 option buyout
DFA 66 MacDougal $650,000

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$115,942,869

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