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TBLA Final Vote for the 15th best Prospect in the Dodger Organization
| 1 | Chat and Vote | Chris Withrow |
| 2 | Chat and Vote | Dee Gordon |
| 3 | Chat and Vote | Scott Elbert |
| 4 | Chat and Vote | Ivan DeJesus |
| 5 | Chat and Vote | Ethan Martin |
| 6 | Chat and Vote | Andrew Lambo |
| 7 | Aaron Miller | |
| 8 | Chat and Vote | Josh Lindlbom |
| 9 | Chat and vote | Trayvon Robinson |
| 10 | Chat and vote | Nathan Eovaldi |
| 11 | Xavier Paul | |
| 12 | Chat and vote | Garrett Gould |
| 13A | Allen Webster | |
| 13B | Kyle Russell | |
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Dead heat after two votes so they both get to call themselves the TBLA 13th best prospect. Final vote is now up for the 15th TBLA best Dodger prospect. I don't know how the rest of you vote but I do it on what the ceiling is and if I expect them to reach the ceiling. So for me Lucas May will be no more then a backup catcher, while Jonathan Garcia could be Adam Jones (a comparable for his age in the Arizona League) offensively or just another fast starting kid who is swallowed up by advanced pitching.
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Prospect Number 13 Run Off Vote
| 1 | Chat and Vote | Chris Withrow |
| 2 | Chat and Vote | Dee Gordon |
| 3 | Chat and Vote | Scott Elbert |
| 4 | Chat and Vote | Ivan DeJesus |
| 5 | Chat and Vote | Ethan Martin |
| 6 | Chat and Vote | Andrew Lambo |
| 7 | Aaron Miller | |
| 8 | Chat and Vote | Josh Lindlbom |
| 9 | Chat and vote | Trayvon Robinson |
| 10 | Chat and vote | Nathan Eovaldi |
| 11 | Xavier Paul | |
| 12 | Chat and vote | Garrett Gould |
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| 14 | ||
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Dead Heat between Webster and Russell with Lucas May getting some surprising support.
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Los Angeles Dodgers Number Thirteen 2010 Top Prospect - Chat & Vote
1 Chat and Vote - Chris Withrow
2 Chat and Vote - Dee Gordon
3 Chat and Vote - Scott Elbert
4 Chat and Vote - Ivan DeJesus
5.Chat and Vote - Ethan Martin
6.Chat and Vote - Andrew Lambo
7. Aaron Miller
8. Chat and Vote - Josh Lindlbom
9. Chat and vote - Trayvon Robinson
10. Chat and vote - Nathan Eovaldi
11. Xavier Paul
12. Chat and Vote Garrett Gould
Garret Gould wins the vote for number 12 quite easily and is now the youngest player on the list. Seven out of twelve are pitchers. I've add a plethora of names to the poll as we head into the strech for the top 15.
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Los Angeles Dodgers Number Twelve 2010 Top Prospect - Chat & Vote
1 Chat and Vote - Chris Withrow
2 Chat and Vote - Dee Gordon
3 Chat and Vote - Scott Elbert
4 Chat and Vote - Ivan DeJesus
5.Chat and Vote - Ethan Martin
6.Chat and Vote - Andrew Lambo
7. Aaron Miller
8. Chat and Vote - Josh Lindlbom
9. Chat and vote - Trayvon Robinson
10. Chat and vote - Nathan Eovaldi
11. Xavier Paul
It took two different votes but Nathan Eovaldi holds off Xavier Paul to win the coveted TBLA 10 spot. A near dead heat in the first vote resulted in a run off vote that was close for most of the day, but the late afternoon/evening crowd pushed Eovaldi into the lead by 18 votes.
Now this may ruffle some feathers but I'm not putting Paul back out there. He got enough support for the 10 spot that I'm putting him in at 11. I don't agree with it but the voters have given him plenty of support. The vote is on for 12 and I'm adding the youngest player in the organization.
We all have our reasons for who and why we vote for someone. For me the next three spots are between the teen-agers. The high bonus golden arm of Garrett Gould or the promise of Jonathan Garcia or the unexpected brilliance of Allen Webster.
Fricking crazy that I'm talking about three guys who were born after 1990.
Anybody else you would like to have the voters have a crack at? Lucas May, Jamie Hoffman, Brent Leach, Francisco Felix, Travis Schlichting, Justin Sellers, Javy Guerra, Pedro Baez, Steven Caseres, Jamie Ortiz, Tim Sexton, Kenley Jansen, Tony Delmonico, Jamie Pedroza, Gerald Sands, Geison Aguasviva, Jon Michael Redding , Allen St. Clair, Brian Cavazos-Galvez, Gorman Erickson, Franklin Jacobs, Mario Songco, Brett Wallach, Jonathan Garcia, Danny Danielson, Roberto Feliciano.
| Prospect Information |
| DOB | Prospect Name | Drafted | Info |
| 7/19/1991 | Garrett Gould | 2009 No 2 | Gould only pitched in three games for Ogden so any support for him will have to come from what he did in high school. From the baseball factory:
Gould is a big, strong RHP who is aggressive with his fastball that pushes into the low 90s. There is some deception to his high effort delivery and a curve ball with bite and change with fade round out his repetoireThis is what Kensai has to say about him |
| 2/10/1990 | Allen Webster | No 18 2008 | Where did he come from? Just an 18th round pick in 2008, Webster was ranked by BA as the 3rd best prospect in the Arizona League, where this 19 year old turned some heads. From BA
No AZL player boosted his prospect stock this season as much as Webster, who's listed in the MLB database by his first name (Carl) but prefers to go by his middle name. An 18th-round pick in 2008, he walked 17 batters in 18 innings during his first pro season in the Rookie-level Gulf Coast League. After moving to Arizona when the Dodgers shifted their complex-based affiliate, he posted a 56-14 K-BB ratio in 48 innings before continuing to excel following a promotion to the Rookie-level Pioneer League. Though Webster still is growing into his 6-foot-2, 165-pound frame, he already has a fastball that reaches 94-95 mph. He throws strikes with his heater, as well as with a plus breaking ball and a promising changeup that he needs to use more often. Dodgers pitching instructor George Culver said an improved delivery was the key to Webster's big step forward. "He had a lot of issues with it last year. He was a green pea," said Culver. "His mechanics right now are as good as you want to see with a kid with no more pitching experience than he's had. |
| 7/24/1986 | Scott Van Slyke | 2005 No 14 | Great bloodlines looked to be naught until this year. The Dodgers were aggressive in promoting Van Slyke year after year even though he stunk at each level. In 2008 he had an OPS of .638 when he was inexplicably promoted from the A ball to A+ ball. In 2009 he spent the full season in A+ ball and his his first taste of success. He swatted 69 XBH and ended the season with a .907 OPS. He was not recognized by BA as a top prospect in the league as everyone is curious if he will continue to hit once he leaves the easier offensive setting of the Cal League. This one is for Canuck, I'm not much of a fan but if Canuck wants to make an argument for him, I'd be willing to listen. |
| 6/27/1986 | Kyle Russell | 2008 No 3 | The Good - CO-MVP of the MWL, led the league in Home Runs with 26, Total Bases with 262, RBI's with 102, 3rd in OPS at .916, 6th in Walks with 72, did not hit into one DP, Stole 20 bases and was only caught twice. Considered an excellent outfielder who has the arm for right field. That looks like one hell of an outfielder doesn't it. To bad about the negatives, one he can't control and the other he's unable to. He's 23 which is old for the MWL. The other is that his K Rate is a killer. He struck out 180 times in 563 plate appearances at the age of 23 in A ball. I want to believe in Kyle Russell but the reality is that this may have been his best season. When looking at other 23 year olds who dominated the MWL over the last five years, no one has been able to keep it going. I can't find any comp's for someone who strikes out at that rate, at that age, at that level who was successful. Russell Branyan did it but he was 20 years old when he did it. So even without the K rate he's going to have a tough time ever bringing that power to Dodger Stadium. |
| 11/11/1991 | Jonathan Garcia | 2009 8th round | Garcia played all summer as a 17 year old in the Arizona Rookie League. Among the regulars his OPS was only bettered by 21 year old Nick Akins. Easily the youngest player in the organization he was able to post a solid .862 OPS and was honored by BA as the 9th best prospect in the league. They had this to say about him :
The Dodgers may have gotten a steal when they selected Garcia out of Puerto Rico in the eighth round of the 2009 draft. He had a reputation in high school as a player who was better in workouts than in games, but that wasn't the case in the AZL. He hit .304 with 16 doubles in 138 at-bats. Garcia, 17, is very aggressive at the plate and the ball jumps off his bat. He has power to all fields and is expected to get stronger. He worked closely with hitting coach Leo Garcia and continually made adjustments during games. |
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Los Angeles Dodgers Number Nine 2010 Top Prospect - Chat & Vote
1 Chat and Vote - Chris WIthrow
2 Chat and Vote - Dee Gordon
3 Chat and Vote - Scott Elbert
4 Chat and Vote - Ivan DeJesus
5.Chat and Vote - Ethan Martin
6.Chat and Vote - Andrew Lambo
7. Aaron Miller
8. Chat and Vote - Josh Lindlbom
It was close between Lindblom and Trayvon until the afternoon when Josh just blew him away using his killer repertoire
Lindblom touched 96 mph as a college reliever, and he still pitched with plus velocity (89-94) as a pro starter, with plenty of heavy life on his fastball. His heater bores in on righthanders, his slider has lateral tilt and his splitter is a swing-and-miss pitch. He has a durable body, clean delivery and good mound presence..
If the voters go down the same path as the last vote this next poll is really between Xavier Paul and Trayvon Robinson as we decide which one of these center fielders has the better future. Both of these players are similar in some aspects.
1. Both play center field
2. Both have some power but neither will ever be considered home run hitters.
3. Both strike out much more then they should given their lack of power. At least when Kyle Russell makes contact you know the ball is going big fly.
4. Paul put up huge numbers in AAA but a closer look shows he did most of his damage at home in one of the best offensive parks in baseball. Robinson put up big numbers in the offensive California League. Paul couldn't break an OPS of .800 while in the Southern League joining Lambo in that futility.
5. They both need work on their stolen base game. Robinson has been caught 46 times in 149 attempts which won't get it done if he wants to have value as a basestealer. Eric reported for what it is worth that Trayvon is considered by 66er fans to be one of the worse baserunners on the team. Paul isn't much better as he's been caught 48 times in 134 attempts.
To be honest I'm not sure why Paul got so much traction in the last vote. In the best possible scenario he could become Shane Victorino but I think he has a very small chance of that happening. The reality is that Paul is probably going to become at best a platoon outfielder who never holds a regular job on a good team. We don't know yet what Robinson will do with the two 1/2 years he has on Paul. I'd rather hedge my bet on what we don't know then what we do know. Some have seen Paul's excellent numbers in AAA but as Eric showed in the chat, the MLE's for that kind of production are tepid. I don't want to make it seem like I don't like Paul, I do, I think in 2010 he'd make an excellent fourth outfielder for the team because he can play all three outfield positions, can give us a solid pinch hitter against RHP, can pinch run. But this team is probably in trouble if Xavier Paul is playing LF with any regularity.
I'd welcome any arguments for anyone on this list. If you think someone should be winning this poll just don't call the vote a sham. Put together a cohesive argument on why you think so because otherwise it is irritating to read someone say "this is ridiculous, blah blah is clearly the better player" without any arguments to back it. I spend a good amount of time writing this stuff up and a three second comment bashing the voting is just irritating. If you don't like the way a vote is going, give reasons why you think the voters are wrong.
Kyle Russell was talked about quite a bit in the last chat and vote. I personally like Kyle Russell very much because the Dodgers have no one close to him when it comes to power. He may have more power then anyone has had since Billy Ashley was in the system but those of us who remember, know what happened to Billy Ashley. The difference and I hope this is the difference between failure and success is that Kyle Russell is an excellent athlete. That said I'm not putting him on the ballot until after this next vote. I'm a bit amazed that our system got so deep that Gould/Eovaldi/Webster are looking at the outside of the top ten.
| Prospect Information |
| DOB | Prospect Name | Drafted | Info |
| 7/19/1991 | Garrett Gould | 2009 No 2 | Gould only pitched in three games for Ogden so any support for him will have to come from what he did in high school. From the baseball factory:
Gould is a big, strong RHP who is aggressive with his fastball that pushes into the low 90s. There is some deception to his high effort delivery and a curve ball with bite and change with fade round out his repetoireThis is what Kensai has to say about him |
| 2/13/1990 | Nathan Eovaldi | 2008 No 11 | Nathan was supposed to be a sleeper pick headed into this season but anyone who payed attention knew about his big arm. He had a few stretches this year where he was the best pitcher for the Loons and just like Miller, he was never allowed to throw more then three innings after Aug 1st. He had a rough April, settled down in May and then went the exact opposite of Martin with a stunning June in which he allowed only two earned runs in five starts. His numbers in Aug were dreadful as the K/PA fell to 14% while the BB/PA increased to 15% after being below 9% the previous three months. He's already had TJ surgery, will his arm hold up over a full professional season? Given how few innings he pitched in 2009 the fall off in August has to be a little concerning. |
| 2/25/1985 |
Xavier Paul | Paul has climbed every step of the minor league ladder and finally made it to the big leagues in May only to be felled by a nasty infection that basically ended his season. In April he destroyed AAA which got him called up upto the Dodgers. Bad luck found him and instead of backing up Juan Pierre during the Manny suspension he was in the hospital fighting a nasty infection. By the time he was healthy it was Sept so other then a few rehab at bats for the Isotopes his season was done. If he's centerfielder then he might be able to produce something along the levels of Shane Victorino, if he's only a corner then being a platoon outfielder is probably his future |
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| 2/10/1990 | Allen Webster | No 18 2008 | Where did he come from? Just an 18th round pick in 2008, Webster was ranked by BA as the 3rd best prospect in the Arizona League, where this 19 year old turned some heads. From BA
No AZL player boosted his prospect stock this season as much as Webster, who's listed in the MLB database by his first name (Carl) but prefers to go by his middle name. An 18th-round pick in 2008, he walked 17 batters in 18 innings during his first pro season in the Rookie-level Gulf Coast League. After moving to Arizona when the Dodgers shifted their complex-based affiliate, he posted a 56-14 K-BB ratio in 48 innings before continuing to excel following a promotion to the Rookie-level Pioneer League. Though Webster still is growing into his 6-foot-2, 165-pound frame, he already has a fastball that reaches 94-95 mph. He throws strikes with his heater, as well as with a plus breaking ball and a promising changeup that he needs to use more often. Dodgers pitching instructor George Culver said an improved delivery was the key to Webster's big step forward. "He had a lot of issues with it last year. He was a green pea," said Culver. "His mechanics right now are as good as you want to see with a kid with no more pitching experience than he's had. |
| 9/1/1987 | Trayvon, Robinson | 2005 No 10 | No one made a bigger move up the prospect ladder then Trayvon Robinson who came into the year with a reputation as a slap hitter with great speed who struck out to much and had little plate discipline. He ended the 2009 campaign as the starting CF for the AA Lookouts after torching the California League, showing large not subtle improvement in his power and plate discipline. |
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Prospect Number Five Runoff
After a heated battle Aaron Miller, Andrew Lambo, and Ethan Martin were just about dead even. This next vote will only take place in the comments and will run until 09:00 AM tomorrow. Only vote for one of the three, you may use initials if you choose.
AM = Aaron Miller
AL = Andrew Lambo
EM = Ethan Martin
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Los Angeles Dodgers Number Four 2010 Top Prospect - Chat & Vote
TBLA Prospect Number One Chat and Vote - Chris WIthrow
TBLA Prospect Number Two Chat and Vote - Dee Gordon
TBLA Prospect Number Three Chat and Vote - Scott Elbert
Scott Elbert gets on the board with a closer vote then the previous two spots. So far we have a power 20 year old, a Jose Reyes or Jimmy Rollins ceiling SS, and now Elbert. Elbert could become Billy Wagner if relegated to the bullpen or hopefully make a dent in the rotation. SilverWidow has requested Garrett Gould be added to the list making him the youngest player on the list below. TBLA members were elated when we signed Gould after making him our 2nd round pick since he was considered to have a first round arm thus making up for the loss our real 1st round pick when we signed Orlando Hudson.
| Prospect Information |
| DOB | Prospect Name | Drafted | Info |
| 7/19/1991 | Garrett Gould | 2009 No 2 | Gould only pitched in three games for Ogden so any support for him will have to come from what he did in high school. From the baseball factory:
Gould is a big, strong RHP who is aggressive with his fastball that pushes into the low 90s. There is some deception to his high effort delivery and a curve ball with bite and change with fade round out his repetoireThis is what Kensai has to say about him |
| 2/13/1990 | Nathan Eovaldi | 2008 No 11 | Nathan was supposed to be a sleeper pick headed into this season but anyone who payed attention knew about his big arm. He had a few stretches this year where he was the best pitcher for the Loons and just like Miller, he was never allowed to throw more then three innings after Aug 1st. He had a rough April, settled down in May and then went the exact opposite of Martin with a stunning June in which he allowed only two earned runs in five starts. His numbers in Aug were dreadful as the K/PA fell to 14% while the BB/PA increased to 15% after being below 9% the previous three months. He's already had TJ surgery, will his arm hold up over a full professional season? Given how few innings he pitched in 2009 the fall off in August has to be a little concerning. |
| 6/6/1989 | Ethan Martin | 2008 No 1 | Number one pick in 2008 Ethan Martin started 2009 on fire but ran into trouble in June April. He ended up the year in a tag team with Nathan Eovaldi and the Dodgers never let him throw more the 3 innings after Aug 1st. Highlights - April - 32.9 K/PA along with 8.9 BB/PA , Downlights - June - 14.7 K/PA and 13.7 BB/PA. He was picked by BA as the 10 best prospect in the MWL. He very possibly has the best arm on this list, unless it Nathan Eovaldi's. |
| 5/1/1987 | DeJesus, Ivan | 2005 No 2 | Did not play in 2009 due to a broken leg. I'm firmly convinced that if DeJesus had played this season he'd be the top position prospect for the Dodgers. We already know what he can do in AA at the age of 21 so it doesn't take much insight to figure he'd have kicked butt in 2009 at AA/AAA. That said his best skills are his ability to play SS and plate discipline. It remains to be seen if he can be a major league SS and post an OBP of around .380 which he will need to be useful. If he becomes Luis Castillo without the speed I'm not sure just how useful that is. |
| 9/1/1987 | Trayvon, Robinson | 2005 No 10 | No one made a bigger move up the prospect ladder then Trayvon Robinson who came into the year with a reputation as a slap hitter with great speed who struck out to much and had little plate discipline. He ended the 2009 campaign as the starting CF for the AA Lookouts after torching the California League, showing large not subtle improvement in his power and plate discipline. |
| 9/18/1987 | Aaron Miller | 2009 Suppl No 1 | Number one 2009 draft pick Aaron Miller was quick to make an impact with his sterling work for the Great Lake Loons, winning the first playoff game in Loon history and impressing everyone along the way. Striking out over 32% of batters faced while walking less then 10% will put a smile on Dodgers fans as they contemplate the future with Aaron Miller. |
| 6/15/1987 | Josh Lindblom | 2008 No 2 | 2008 number two pick Lindblom started out in AA working in relief and starting but once promoted to AAA he was used strictly as a relief pitcher. He had a good year but not a dominating year and failed to make any top prospect lists. |
| 8/11/1988 | Andrew Lambo | 2007 No 4 | Muddled through his first full season of AA ball and some scouts have marked him down to a fourth outfielder. That seems very premature given his age since he only turned 21 during the season. He held his own but didn't give any indication he can hit enough to man LF but the jury is still out. With an ISOP of only .150 in combination of a walk rate below 9% he's got a lot of work to do but has plenty of time to get that work in. On the plus side he is totally mashing in the AFL as we speak. BA ranked him as the 18th top prospect in the Southern league. |
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Los Angeles Dodgers Number Two 2010 Top Prospect - Chat & Vote
TBLA Prospect Number One Discussion and Vote
Number One - Chris WIthrow
Due to a late surge Chris Withrow takes the top spot and is the community TBLA top Dodger prospect for 2010. A worthy choice, Withrow showed why he was the Dodgers top pick in 2007 by handling the tough California League in his first full professional season, and then doing more then holding his own as a 20 year old in AA.
This was tight vote with every person on the ballot getting some support. We are going to make it even tougher by adding Aaron Miller and Trayvon Robinson to the mix for the next round. From this point on we will be doing a vote a day during the week and skipping weekends.
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