Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: The Animated GIFs Of January

Ten Questions For The 2007 Dodgers, Part Two

Can Frank McCourt take a P.R. hit?

The Dodgers come into the off season stacked with good, young talent and about 80 million dollars in payroll commitments. If they want to make any improvement through the free agent market, except in a couple of areas, they're going to have to sign a star player. Since it is very difficult to bring in more than one stud, along with the fact that the Dodgers will be phasing in more and more cheap players, the Dodgers might drop from their 110 million dollar payroll next year. The question is, can Frank McCourt live with Bill Plaschke's response to a smaller payroll, or will he suggest Ned Colletti go out and spend some money for the sake of spending it?

Right now, James Loney looks like the answer at first base, but despite Plaschke's recent change of heart, the majority of the media will not be happy if Nomar walks. There's going to be some pressure to keep guys like Nomar and Lofton around, even if it's not warranted. Hopefully, Frank McCourt can live with that.

Will Takashi Saito stick around?

Takashi Saito was the biggest surprise on a team with several shocking performances. When the Dodgers signed Saito, I referred to him as the Japanese Jorge Julio, and thought he had almost no chance of making the team. Ned Colletti must have had similar thoughts, since he failed to make the team out of Spring Training. But, when Eric Gagne broke down on April 6th, Saito got the call, and effectively filled the void that was left by Gagne. As the season went on this turned out to be huge, as Saito would be the only reliable pitcher in the bullpen aside from Jonathan Broxton.

But now there are reports that Takashi Saito wants to return to Japan. If this is true, the Dodgers most reliable relief pitchers after Broxton are Elmer Dessens, who isn't that great, and Mark Alexander who has thrown 14 innings above AA.  Losing Saito would leave a huge hole in the bullpen, one that would require going shopping for free agents to solve. This brings me to the next question:

Did Ned Colletti learn anything from Takashi Saito and Danys Baez?

Unless you're Mariano Rivera or Trevor Hoffman, success as a relief pitcher is fleeting.  Due to how swingy the average middle reliever is, the best thing to do is stockpile as many cheap live arms as you can, then pray a few of them turn out. Hopefully, Baez's run as a Dodger hammered home how unreliable "proven closers" can be. As much as I hate it, the Dodgers need to pick up a couple middle relievers this off season, and I hope Ned doesn't overspend for "proven" guys like Joe Borowski, Chad Bradford, or Arthur Rhodes.

Takashi Saito, and the unexpected success of Joe Beimel should have been a great lesson on how variable relief pitching can be, and it should have provided a great lesson. I hope it stuck.

Can Brad Penny bounce back?

Brad Penny was the starting pitcher in the All-Star game. Brad Penny had a 6.25 ERA after the All-Star break. While there wasn't nearly as much difference between his first and second halves as it would appear (3.45 DIPS ERA pre-All Star, 4.57 afterwards), Penny still did have a notable decline in the second half. Whether it was due to injury or whatever, Penny deserved to be a solid number one start at the beginning of the season, and a fourth or fifth starter at the end.

While likely improvements from Billingsley and Kuo prevent me from saying the Dodgers need Brad Penny to get better to be successful, it would be a big help.  

Is Hong-Chih Kuo for real?

At the beginning of 2006, Kuo's future with the Dodgers looked to be in the bullpen. After he walked 7.77 guys per nine in two stints with the Dodgers, Kuo's near future looked like it could be with the 51s. After 51s pitcher William Juarez got hurt, someone made the decision to move Kuo to a starting role. All of a sudden, Kuo's control problems disappeared, and he put together a 2.61 ERA in nine minor league starts. This earned him another look with the Dodgers, and he continued to excel. In the small sample size of five starts, Kuo struck out 10.75 per nine, had a five to one strikeout to walk ration, and allowed only one home run in 29.1 innings. These are "best pitcher in baseball" type numbers. While I doubt he could keep up this level of production over a full season, even a big regression would leave him as the Dodgers third or fourth best starter.

I have three concerns about Kuo. The first is those control problems. Sure, they seem to have gone away, but they're definitely going to be on my mind for a long time. Second is Kuo's injury history. He's already had two Tommy John surgeries, and having him throw 180 innings plus in a season is scary as hell. Third is the league figuring him out. Kuo has thrown 65 innings in his career, and most teams have only had one look at him. Will he be able to be as effective on his second and third times through the league?

If Kuo does anything resembling what he did in the last month, a lot of the Dodgers problems can be solved. Let's hope he can keep it up.

Bonus question for the indeterminate future: When will Paul DePodesta stop being used as a scapegoat?

You can see the influence of the last three G.M.s on the 2006 Dodgers. DePodesta provided the Dodgers with their middle of the order hitters, and the top two starters. Colletti gave the Dodgers the depth that made them a threat despite the lack of stars, and Dan Evans gave the Dodgers the young base that will help for so many years to come. But, right now whenever something goes right with the Dodgers, it's all because of Colletti. Whenever something goes wrong, it's because that dastardly DePo traded Paul Lo Duca/Shawn Green. Never mind that both would have left to free agency by now and that Russell Martin is already a better catcher than Lo Duca. Eventually, like when Lo Duca retires, this is no longer going to be a valid excuse, right?

Comment 10 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

If DePo didn't want to get blamed
for everything, he shouldn't have sucked so bad.

by Andrew Shimmin on Oct 12, 2006 10:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Kuo
if he can keep nailing that fastball low and in against righties he's going to be successful. that's gotta be the best fastball location I've seen a lefty against righty matchup.

As for injuries, all you can really do is limit the pitch count and pray. ironic that Papalbon is being moved to the rotation due to injury fear.. which one is it really? overall load? or routine and repeated short use in a limited time period?

by RollingWave on Oct 12, 2006 10:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Answers, and kinda long winded again (sorry)
  1. Colletti is trigger-happy, and this would be pretty well irrelevant.  He's going to get done what the Dodgers need, and there's going to be some unnecessary move just out of nowhere.  Based on the source of his success stories this year, though, he might end up inviting next year's 40 homer guy to spring training.
  2. Um, yeah.  The Dodgers will figure he's really that good, and he'll make something around $2 million.  I personally would like to see Gagne return (I'd like to see him fire Boras a la Zambrano, really), but Saito's the kinda guy that would respect that and still be firey setting up for Gagne.  That's why I like Japanese ballplayers.
  3. Colletti will probably at most learn not to be Krivsky but to stockpile middle relievers as non roster spring training invitees.  That Beimel and Saito contributed should make that a tempting invitation.
  4. Yes, especially after being traded for A-Rod.  The best part is, though, that if Rodriguez recovers from his meager 35 home runs, 121 RBI season and belts out 40, the New York editions of Plaschke will be livid.  For the record that's not a rumor, that's speculation on my part.  If he wins 20 games in LA, though, Plaschke will say how much he supported Penny all along.
  5. Well, apparently that's what he does when he's healthy.  A better question might be, "Is Kuo the next Kerry Wood?"  I think trading him to the Yanks over Penny would be a good way to go, especially since he could play with his old high school teammate.  I think the risk of catastrophy is too high to hold on.
Bonus) I frankly couldn't stand some of the stuff Depodesta did, and while he did get Drew and Kent,  he just switched out Beltre and Green, which kinda balances.  He got Lowe and Penny, pretty much because he had to.  Green has been healthier although not as good.  Beltre is one of the best defensive third basemen in the majors, while Kent looks worse because he can't point to Soriano while that guy's in left field tearing it up (who knew having an arm and great speed was useful in left field), so the lineup balances.  Derek Lowe was a good pickup, and I will give him a lot of credit for that one, along with the gutsy move for Penny.  

DePo's legacy will be Penny for LoDuca.  I think Penny has to issue a golden sombrero to Paully before Plaschke gives in.

by StolenMonkey86 on Oct 13, 2006 12:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Trade speculation
  Yankees really would like Kuo, young power lefty is something they desperately need (who doesn't?) , i think after the Carl Pavano disastor the Yankees would want nothing to do with another former 03 Marlins pitcher...

   Kuo / Laroche (who the Dodgers won't need after they get A-rod) as a start for A-rod? sounds about right, the only question is if they need to throw Elbert in as well.

   Would you go for that? Kou/Laroche/Elbert for A-rod? who pays how much of the money?

by RollingWave on Oct 13, 2006 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kuo
Why would you want to trade two of our best pitchers for A-Rod?  That seems like it would cancel out any productivity A-Rod would bring by leaving us with a mediocre pitching staff.

by Rich @ True Blue LA on Oct 13, 2006 8:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Comments
Can Frank McCourt take a P.R. hit?

After the last couple of years, I don't think he could do anything now that would lower his image.  If the moves are considered "baseball" moves as opposed to economic moves, then he will have no problem, the Nomar issue will be tough but if they can put out a better product then it should be okay.

Will Takashi Saito stick around?

The Dodgers are going to have do something that MLB won't like and that is offer a substantial raise and maybe a 2-year deal even though they hold his rights because of the uniqueness of the situation but the ball is wholly in Saito's court so we shall have to wait and see what happens.

Did Ned Colletti learn anything from Takashi Saito and Danys Baez?

I don't think you can use Baez as an example of what can happen when you deal for a relief pitcher, some deals just don't work out for whatever reason, relief pitching does seem to have a lower success rate than other players possilby because of usage rates, park factors, who knows.  Since really good middle relievers are tough to get, my hunch is that some combination of guys in the system (Alexander, Greg Miller, Jon Meloan, etc.) along with plenty of NRIs will get the chance in spring training to latch on.  It will be interesting to see what they do with Beimel because until he decided to stay out last week, he was going to be on the club next year.

Can Brad Penny bounce back?

I would say yes but I think he again could use some other pitch to work off his fastball.

Is Hong-Chih Kuo for real?

He seems to have a good idea what he is doing, my question has any starting pitcher ever been succesful pitching solely out of the stretch.

He will be someone to watch in spring training where he may face some teams twice during the month.

Bonus question for the indeterminate future: When will Paul DePodesta stop being used as a scapegoat?

DePodesta's biggest problem was that (and I always get in trouble with this answer) he did not communicate (schmooze) with the media and to some extent the fan base on why he did the moves that he did.  Sure, for the most part, people who populate places like this had a pretty good idea why he did what he did but he left a lot of things out there for people to speculate about.

Was he hamstrung by payroll, don't know, did he want certain players to get a chance in the lineup, don't know, was Mota and LoDuca traded because, one, you were looking for a starter, two, they both were going to have big pay bumps, three, in Mota's case you had Brazoban ready to go, four, you thought you had Charles Johnson to come in catch, five, maybe you even had a bigger deal you were working on for Randy Johnson.  Some of these things may or may not be true but we had to guess about them which meant none of it got out to the general public as reasons why he did what he did.

Look you can disagree all you want with what Ned did this year but his deals have some clear cut reasoning, faulty reasoning perhaps but pretty understandable, one local radio guy calls it transparency and for that I give him credit.  Sure as fans we all hate bad deals but we really hate bad deals that are not explained.  And that was DePo's biggest problem even though we may not as fans deserve an answer, the fact that he didn't give one really hurt him.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 13, 2006 10:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Communication
The only way in which DePo didn't explain his moves, according to my likely-faulty memory, is he didn't slam players on their way out. So, instead of saying he thought Beltre was a flash in the pan, he just didn't re-sign him. Instead of saying Green was over the hill and way too expensive, he shipped him out.

The difference is that Colletti hasn't made moves like that. His moves have been seeking pieces out (buying, in the parlance of our time) instead of fat cutting. The exception being shipping out Odalis, where the "he sucks" legwork had already been done.

It's hard to be liked for cutting fat. There's not a way to call the players garbage, without being a jerk, and there's no way to not call garbage, garbage, without being accused of not communicating. But, like I said, it's possible I just don't remember well enough.

by Andrew Shimmin on Oct 13, 2006 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nomar
Not that this is ground-breaking news or anything, but I have it via a family source that Nomar will definitely not be with the Dodgers next year, as much as he would still like to be.

It would seem that 15-18 Million for three years a perfect reason why. (His asking price which McCourt has wished him well.)

by HeinzTheBaronKraussVonEspy on Oct 15, 2006 1:25 PM PDT reply actions  

DePodesta
DePodesta's biggest and stupidest move was signing Drew!
Giving Kent an extension is one of Ned's biggest mistakes.

by Jim @ True Blue LA on Oct 17, 2006 11:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Nomar
With the early rumors about Nomar not coming back, if true, I have to commend Ned and Frank. I was deathly afraid they would take the easy way out and resign him. This non-move is starting the off-season right.

by Mike D on Oct 22, 2006 2:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

A place for Dodger fans to congregate without spending $15 on parking.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

100_1427_small
Dodger Blogger Softball Tourney Update

Recent FanPosts

N1209328_7139_small
True Blue Los Angeles Fantastical Base Ball League
Kemp_small
All-star predictions
Img_0247_small
Dodgers.com might have a job opening...
Small
Law Ranks Dodger System #12
Small
DODGERS -- 2 GREAT SEATS FOR SALE
Small
Joe Torre Horrow Show
2011-philly-game-me__2__small
2011 Dodgers Spreadsheet Project
Ed-ak286_scully_g_20091006143938_small
It is time to play - Name the BA Top 30
Small
Are you the Biggest Dodger Fan?

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

2012 Dodgers Payroll

Italics denote estimates
Pos No Player 2012 Salary
C 17 Ellis $500,000 team control
1B 7 Loney $6,375,000
2B 14 Ellis $2,500,000
3B 5 Uribe $8,000,000
SS 9 Gordon $485,000 team control
LF 21 Rivera $4,000,000
CF 27 Kemp $10,000,000
RF 16 Ethier $10,950,000

IF/OF 6 Hairston $2,250,000
OF 10 Gwynn $850,000
2B/3B 3 Kennedy $800,000
C 18 Treanor $850,000
IF 12 Sellers $485,000 team control

SP 22 Kershaw $6,000,000
SP 58 Billingsley $9,000,000
SP 29 Lilly $12,000,000
SP 35 Capuano $3,000,000
SP 44
Harang $3,000,000

CL 54 Guerra $485,000 team control
RHP 74
Jansen $500,000 team control
RHP 55 Guerrier $4,750,000
RHP 60 Coffey $1,000,000
RHP 66 MacDougal $650,000
LHP 57 Elbert $485,000 team control
RHP 36
Hawksworth $500,000 team control

TJ 41 De La Rosa $485,000 team control



Manny $8,087,432 deferred


Andruw $3,375,000 deferred


Pierre $3,050,000 deferred
Furcal $3,000,000 deferred
Kuroda $2,000,000 deferred
Garland $1,500,000 option buyout
Blake $1,250,000 option buyout

Totals
$112,162,432

For more detailed information, click here.

Players on 40-man roster used as roster
fillers until moves are made.

Current 40-man roster count: 40
(not including Belisario)

2012 Non-Roster Invitees

No Player Age*
63 Jose Ascanio rhp
27
61 Alberto Castillo lhp
36
56 Matt Chico lhp
29
33 John Grabow lhp
33
59 Angel Guzman rhp
30
47 Wil Ledezma lhp
31
72 Shane Lindsay rhp
27
62 Fernando Nieve rhp 29
73 Scott Rice lhp 30
70 Will Savage rhp
27
71 Ryan Tucker rhp
25
28 Jamey Wright rhp
37

30 Josh Bard c 34
82 Griff Erickson c 24
81 Matt Wallachc 26
67 Jeff Baisley 3b/1b 29
65 Luis Cruz ss/2b 28
37 Josh Fields 3b 29
64 Lance Zawadzki if 27
56 Cory Sullivan of 32

*Age on June 30, 2012

NRI count: 20

For more info, click here.


Manager

Eric___ned___reporters_2011_trade_deadline_small Eric Stephen

Editors

100_1427_small Phil Gurnee

Dgy_small David Young

Hanauma_bay_small Chad Moriyama

2501_small Michael White

Raptors_small Brandon Lennox