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Money And Rock And Roll Part One - The Value Of A Dollar

Moneyball was a huge influence in my baseball life. If I hadn't read it, it's safe to say that this blog wouldn't exist. It taught me the value of on base percentage, how to look for inefficiencies in the market, and so many other basic principles of sabermetrics. However, there's one thing it did that I feel hurt me dearly from an analysis stand point, and it took me until just recently to learn this lesson. It made me care too much about if a guy is overpaid when dealing with a big market team like the Dodgers.

Money only becomes an issue in two places: when not having enough of it prevents you from making a different move, and when a player's salary keeps him in the starting lineup. Even that second one doesn't have to be an issue, but it would take a front office with more stones than any one currently in business to pull it off.

To make an extreme example, let's say you have infinite money, and can sign one of two players to a one year deal. One will be 20 runs over replacement, and will make the league minimum, the other will be 21 runs over replacement and will cost 175 million dollars per year. They are equal in every other way, and you don't have anyone of value at that position in your system. Which guy do you sign? The correct answer is the second one. Yes, he's terribly inefficient for his cost, but why wouldn't you? The money doesn't prevent you from making another move, you've got infinite amounts of it, and you aren't going to block a better player in the system. With the second player, your team is better, and that's the goal of baseball, to make the best team, not make the best team on a per dollar basis. That lesson is something that even the best analysts fail to take into account.

The Dodgers are not the Oakland A's. Billy Beane was forced to get as much value for his dollar as possible, even offering to pay for a player himself if his deal didn't work out. The Dodgers are on a completely different level. Despite having a team stacked with young talent, the Dodgers still will have a 124 million dollar payroll this year, which, if you think about it, is pretty absurd. However, since we haven't seemed to hit a limit, it doesn't really matter. Juan Pierre is horribly overpaid, but did his signing prevent us from going out and doing what Ned wanted to this off season? Judging by what happened so far, no. The money that we are paying Juan Pierre didn't hurt us. The only way that contract actually is damaging to the Dodgers is that it is forcing us to put him in left this year instead of Andre Ethier. If Pierre ends up on the bench, then as dumb as that contract was, it hasn't hurt us one bit. We didn't give up any talent for Juan Pierre, and no young player was blocked because of him (possibly a debatable point depending on how realistic Kemp in center is). The end result of Pierre's contract that we're siphoning money towards him, but it's not hurting us in any way.

Now, if the Dodgers end up not being able to aggressively pursue Johan Santana or C.C. Sabathia if they became available next off-season, then money becomes an issue. Then we can start fretting about guy receiving too much coin. However, since money hasn't proven to be a stopping point for Ned as far as we know, then we shouldn't worry.

When you insert a potentially talented young player into the mix is when things start to get complicated. For example, I'm pretty confident that Rafael Furcal will out perform Chin-Lung Hu for the next few years. The Dodgers have approximately 75 million committed to the team in 2009 giving us 40-50 million dollars to spend. If we signed Furcal to a three year, 45 million dollar extension, we'd be a better team than we would be with Hu for the life of the contract, plus we'd probably be able to acquire something shiny if we traded Hu. However, you have to consider other factors as well. How much better will Hu get if he's allowed to face big league pitching for the next three years? What do you do three years from now when Furcal's contract runs out and Hu is just entering his arbitration years? Can you draft another player of Hu's caliber and have him be big league ready in three years? Who can you sign to take Furcal's place if you can't develop an answer? How easy this is comes down to when you're trying to win. If you're trying to make it big in the next three years, then the answer is easy: sign Furcal be happy, you're going to be a better team for it. After that, it's complicated, but I'd still probably sign Furcal, then look to develop, trade for or sign a solution when the time comes. Heck, from the realistic perspective of a G.M., you'll probably be fired by then anyway, so it probably won't be your problem.

People have commented on my criticism of the Kuroda deal, saying that I shouldn't worry if he's overpaid. It's not the money that worries me, it's the fact that I don't think Kuroda will be one of our five best pitchers in 2009 and 2010. If there was a guarantee that Kuroda would be deserving of a rotation spot over the next three years, I'd think it was a great deal. If a guy makes your team better throughout the duration of his contract, and that money doesn't prevent you from doing other things, it's a great deal, no matter what formulas say how overpaid he is. When you're a big market team, making the team better is all that matters.

Part two of this series will look at Blue Jay Syndrome, or what happens when you care too much about not overpaying players.

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in the other direction.  Value is always important.  No one has infinite money.  You are certainly correct to state "[i]f a guy makes your team better throughout the duration of his contract, and that money doesn't prevent you from doing other things, it's a great deal, no matter what formulas say how overpaid he is."

But, reality is never that simple.  I think you can use that logic for pretty much any one-year deal.  After that, not so.  Pierre and Kuroda (though I am feeling a little differently about Kuroda now that Nate did a "quicky" on his BG/FB) may not have caused the Dodgers to fail on anything yet - but I think it is impossible to argue that having what could easily be $80M in dead weight (that may, in fact, simply have to be released at some point) is likely to have no effect on our future.

It may have already had such an effect.  We really don't know what happened in the objectively bizzar events surrounding A-Rod.  Would an extra $55M (e.g. Pierre) have bridged the gap from where Ned was and where he needed to be?  I have no idea.  What I do know is that paying Pierre $55M is not a good way to build a club - and it is the money, not the player, that matters.  Pierre at 5/15 is a good deal for what would be a very good 4th outfielder.

by Paul Scott on Dec 19, 2007 5:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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I agree, note that I still think the Kuroda signing is a bad one. Same with Pierre. However, it's not a bad signing because he's being paid too much (unless we really did miss A-Rod by that much) it's because he made the team worse by coming here and basically forcing us to play him.

by Andrew on Dec 19, 2007 5:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Out of sheer curiosity,
What are your feelings on "Russ Ortiz"-ing players like JP or Kuroda, if he falters?

by no1cowboysfan on Dec 19, 2007 7:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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If he doesn't deserve to be on the 25 man, cut him, you're spending the money anyway, so if cutting him makes your team better, do it.

by Andrew on Dec 19, 2007 10:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cut him
It's easy to cut a bad player with a huge contract if you inherited him but you can't if you signed him.  

I'd go for trading Pierre and eating some of his salary. Yankees eat bad contracts, that's quality control. Tony Womack was bad but they ate him.  Jaret Wright too. Trade him to the White Sox for anything and pay 2/3 the contract.  

by wiffle ball legend on Dec 20, 2007 12:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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Cut him and trade him along with a large portion of his salary are synonomus to me.

by Andrew on Dec 20, 2007 6:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

'09 Top Five
I suppose you're projecting Penny, Billingsley, a free agent, and two of Elbert, Kershaw, and McDonald to be better than Koruda?  I think it's a lot to expect the prospects to be ready for the beginning of '09 when none of them have pitched an inning over AA.  You also have to consider the unpredictability of the FA market and the health problems all pitchers face.  Injuries and performance issues make predicting beyond '09 even harder.  

If you think Koruda can't be roughly league average (although that seems to me a decent bet), I think most people can understand your problem with the signing.  And it might very well keep us from signing better players, though that's hard to say.  But if our biggest problem with the Koruda signing is that we start the year with five average or above pitchers and the prospects waiting in the minors, that doesn't sound too awful.  It seems to me one's opinion of the contract has a lot more to do with what you expect from Koruda than what rotation we might have in the future.

On another note, while fans shouldn't care about the efficient use of money for its own sake, that's all owners should care about if their trying to make more money.  Maybe fans shouldn't care about what owners care about, but these last two posts make you wonder if what's good for GM, or the Dodgers, really is good for you.

by dan310 on Dec 20, 2007 12:41 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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Schmidt, Kuo, and maybe by some miracle E-Lo could be in the mix for 2009 as well.

by Andrew on Dec 20, 2007 7:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This may not be SABR-friendly, but
I'm gonna ask it anyway.

Should we assume that a player's performance is independent of his salary?

I'm not 100% comfortable making that assumption. One of primary incentives players have for using legal and illegal means to boost their own performance is that they can make (significantly) more money in doing so. Big stats equal big money.

Once a player secures a large salary, a chunk of his incentive to perform is taken away. While some players will still be committed to performing at a top level, I have to think that some will not. They won't work quite as hard, won't eat quite as well, etc. When a player is being paid $15 million when he "should" be getting paid "only" $10 million, there's presumably less incentive to try as hard because the expected payout from a marginal increase in effort when making $15 million is less than when making $10 million.

While this effect won't apply to all players, I have to think that the overall effect that overpaying has on performance is negative. As a result, overpaying (in my view) probably hurts you beyond the reasons that Andrew raises above.

by D4P on Dec 20, 2007 4:46 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

$$$$Dodgers
Andrew,

Is your e-mail address at dodgermath still operational? If so do you still check it?  I sent you an e-mail with an excel attachment.

Mike

by mjw101 on Dec 20, 2007 2:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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I'm clearing it out right now actually. Send it to me again, please.

by Andrew on Dec 20, 2007 5:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Money
I guess I should take credit or blame for your: "People have commented on my criticism of the Kuroda deal, saying that I shouldn't worry if he's overpaid."

I wanted to make the distinction between spending money and/or giving up prospects.  If the Dodgers don't need a pitcher, then Kuroda was a bad signing. If the Dodgers do need a pitcher (we are not sure of Schmidt and less than hopeful about Loaiza), then short of bringing up unproven prospects Kuroda's signing is useful.  

I prefer having Kuroda than trading the farm for a Santana or Haren like the Diamondbacks did.  Especially since we don't really know if we could keep them long term.

While I understand your dissatisfaction with Kuroda, I dislike the alternatives.  Logan White said, "I put my reputation on the guy, he's legit."  That is good enough for me.

 

by bobmac on Dec 20, 2007 3:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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It's not just you, I'm being slammed elsewhere for it. It pretty much comes down to "how much better do you think Kuroda is than Loaiza". If you think the answer is "not very" then you probably won't like the signing. If you think Kuroda has a good chance of being average to above average, then you would love it.

by Andrew on Dec 20, 2007 5:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How much expense gets passed along to fans?
I hear a lot of noise about inflated salaries driving increased ticket/concession/parking prices.  I'm not really familiar with the economics, though - is there any data that shows a correlation between payroll and fan-gouging?  I ask because I wonder if ticket prices might be another, independent reason to object to inflated player salaries - completely separate from discussion of on-the-field play.
---- There are a lot of things wrong with a lot of industries...baseball is one of them." - Curt Flood

by librarian on Dec 26, 2007 1:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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