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On December 13th 2005, the Dodgers sent Milton Bradley and Antonio Perez to the Oakland Athletics for Andre Ethier. This was the first trade that Ned Colletti made, and in what would soon become a trend, I wasn't happy with it. Here's what I wrote about Ethier at the time:

Ethier put up a pretty good year in AA this year, putting up a .319/.385/.497 line. It is a bit concerning that he only had an isolated patience of .066 and an isolated power of .178. Neither stat is incredible, meaning a good deal of Ethier's value is tied up in his average. Of course, this is the thing that is most likely to disappear upon his arrival into the majors, leading to his 2006 ZIPS projection of .265/.324/.390. It would be the second coming of 2005 Jayson Werth, just without the defense. Until Ethier is able to show some improvement outside of his average, he's certainly not going to be able to make an impact on the 2006 team, and it's going to take some work before he's ready for 2007. That is, if we have a choice in the matter. It's a very long way away, and lots of things can happen until then, but as of now, the 2007 outfield is Drew, Werth, and Repko, and Drew can opt out of his contract. If the Dodgers aren't careful, they can enter 2007 with Werth as the best outfielder, forcing Ethier into the lineup before he is ready. Then again, if Either isn't ready in 2007, he'd be 26 in 2008, and would likely be a lost cause. Of course, this a huge hypothetical, and shouldn't be worried about now. The important fact is that Ethier is 23 and is likely at least a year from the majors, it's a little scary

From here, I had a very interesting relationship with Andre Ethier. That evolved like so over the season:

May: This guy is nothing more than a fourth outfielder. Ethier hits .330
June: This guy is nothing more than a fourth outfielder. Ethier hits .330
July: Look at his relationship between BABIP and line drive percentage, he's due to collapse any time now. This guy is nothing more than a fourth outfielder. Ethier hits .330
August: Look at his relationship between BABIP and line drive percentage, he's due to collapse any time now. This guy is nothing more than a fourth outfielder. Ethier hits .330
September: Okay, maybe there is something to this guy. Ethier goes seven for September

A year after constantly complaining about Ethier, I had come to accept him as a solid outfielder who was an asset to the Dodgers. Ethier went from being a guy I would be scared about having in the outfield at the start of this year, to being the only player I was relatively happy to see patrolling the outfield this season. After two months of watching Ethier play ball this year, however, I have to wonder once again is Andre Ethier anything more than a fourth outfielder?

Why bring this up again? A few days ago I was looking at Andre Ethier's career numbers, and I spotted something very distressing. Ethier has been to the plate 632 times now in the big leagues, and has collected 44 walks in his career. This gives him a below average .051 isolated patience in what is close to a full season of plate appearances.

I don't believe any reasonable person has thought that Ethier will be a big time power hitter. In John Sickel's crystal ball for Ethier, he never projects a season where Andre exceeds 20 home runs. While college players drafted in the early rounds are more likely to make huge leaps in power during their early to mid 20s*, you can argue that Ethier has already made that jump. In his first two years in the minors, Ethier hit just eight home runs. In his next year at AA, he jumped to 18, and followed that up with 11 home runs in the majors the year after that. Ethier's leap from no power to being a 12-17 home run guy him a viable major league player, and it's probably too much to ask that he make yet another leap.

If Ethier isn't going to hit for power, he needs to walk a lot more if he's going to be a corner outfielder in the bigs. Sure, he can boost his numbers to acceptable levels if he hits over .300, but that's leaving a lot up to fate. This year, Ethier simply isn't squaring up on the ball as well, which has caused his line drive percentage to drop from 22.2% in 2006 to 18% in 2007. This accounts for the 37 point drop in average that Ethier has seen from 2006. However, a batting average dependent player might not even need to see any degradation of skills to lose value. Just one less bleeder finding a hole every three weeks would drop his OPS by 40 points. Because of this, there's a very fine line between a productive player who hits .308/.365/.477, and a replacement level player who hits .276/.312/.437. All it takes is a little bad luck, or a little degradation of skill to completely remove any value that Ethier has, and the Dodgers can't afford that if they're trying to win a championship in the next few years.

Ethier is still a very cheap player, and should be given time to workout his strike zone issues. However, if he continues down the path he's on, we should think long and hard before offering him arbitration. A player like Ethier might not be worth three or four million dollars, nor should he be considered a reason to not acquire a more productive player for the position. Right now, it looks like the initial evaluations could be right. Ethier can be a very effective fourth outfielder, but he is not someone that should have a starting job on a championship team.

*See the 2007 Hardball Times Annual

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Ethier
I'd be happier with Ethier if he was our worst starting OFer, not our best.

by blue22 on Jun 4, 2007 11:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Exactly
what I was thinking. He'd look good in the 2-spot to me. He doesn't draw many walks, but neither does the guy currently occupying that place in the lineup. Kemp and Ethier at the corners for a long time wouldn't bother me a bit.

by westside23 on Jun 4, 2007 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Still need one more bat
Kemp and Ethier make a nice foundation, and will be there when Luis Gonzales is thankfully retired.  But I'd play Kemp in center and find a banger to play left or right.  That means eating Pierre's contract, for sure, but maybe he'll throw his arm out on a two bouncer to second base (please, oh please).  

by SaMo D on Jun 5, 2007 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Banger
Now, would this be a banger in the mouth?

by Rich @ True Blue LA on Jun 6, 2007 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice Work
This is really good writing.  Well done!  I have trouble with Ethier because I have to balance my hope that he does well with the reality that he probably can't be a member of the team if they want to win the World Series.

by RudyKelly on Jun 4, 2007 11:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Your initial assement was correct
I am curious why you deviated from it in light of readily his readily explainable BABIP driven production.  With that said, whatever Either's abilities, he is not even our third outfielder.  Possibly Either is our first OF; second if you lump Kemp in the mix.

Colletti has so decimated our offense that there is little left to hope for other than that Either does get lucky again.  otoh, if he does, he might be given a fat contract by Colletti and we'll have him and JP roaming the outfields for some time.

by Paul Scott on Jun 4, 2007 12:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Your blog
always has great analysis and good reads. . great work again . .

by kemp4wells on Jun 4, 2007 1:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Kemp for Wells?
Is that homage to that sept. trade that almost but thankfully did not happen? Awesome. I thought it was Loney for Wells though.

by westside23 on Jun 4, 2007 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

ha ha
yes, hilarious.... D. wells that is for Kemp .... it was rumored

by kemp4wells on Jun 4, 2007 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

batted ball data
Does anybody know where to find batted ball data (LD, GB, FB %)? Is that available for free on the web?

Thanks, if anybody knows.

by Alfredo Griffin on Jun 4, 2007 1:53 PM PDT reply actions  

website
fangraphs.com is the best resource with raw stat heavy batted ball data.  This side of Andrew's raw Gameday information anyway.

by benaiah on Jun 4, 2007 3:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Ethier
The thing that bugs me the most about Ethier is that he has a decent approach and basically uses the whole field depending on pitch location.  Except that he only has warning track power the other way and he gets under the ball when he goes to left.  Lots and lots of lazy fly balls, never really drives the ball to the gap in left center or pounds it through the hole for hits.

by LGBWC on Jun 4, 2007 3:50 PM PDT reply actions  

On the money again
Great post.  I'm sort of hoping he gets included with Tomko and Seanez to the Reds for Dunn.

by wiffle ball legend on Jun 4, 2007 6:29 PM PDT reply actions  

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