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The good, the Dodgers managed to get someone without actually having to surrender talent. When you give up Dioner Navarro for Mark Hendrickson and Travis Denker for Mark Sweeney, getting something for nothing but taking on salary seems to be a relief.

The bad, well, it's the ever exciting Estaban Loaiza.

Since his fantastic 2003, Loaiza has performed as two different pitchers. In 2005 with the Nationals, he struck out over seven per nine while keeping the ball in the ball park, most likely thanks to the expanded dimensions at RFK. In 2004 and 2006, he struck out a bit less than six per nine, with the difference being the home runs that he gave up. In 2004 while pitching for the White Sox and Yankees, 1.57 home runs per nine and was a complete disaster. In 2006, he surrendered only one home run per nine with the A's and was a serviceable pitcher.

While the difference can't entirely be attributed to park factors, it's very likely that Loaiza is a very similar pitcher to David Wells, albeit better. He's going to rely on his defense to make outs on balls in play, and he doesn't do enough to keep the ball on the ground (1.13 ground ball to fly ball ratio in 2006) to keep the ball from going out of the park at a semi regular basis. Estaban Loaiza is going to live or die based on how good the Dodgers defense is the next two years.

While Loaiza does represent a clear upgrade over Stults this year, a bigger question is how will he help the Dodgers in 2008? Loaiza effectively ensures that Randy Wolf's nine million dollar option will not be picked up next year, and I think keeping Loaiza instead of Wolf is a bad idea. Both players have injury histories of late, Loaiza missing about a month and a half last year and all of this season until two weeks ago. Wolf has pretty much been out of commission since about 2003. They are also both fairly home run prone, though Wolf seemed to have settled that down this year. The difference between them is the type of pitcher they are. Wolf brought his strikeout totals back to where they were in his heyday this year, where as Loaiza, as I mentioned before, is much more of a pitch to contact guy. However, they both have near identical strikeout to walk ratios in their last semi full seasons (Wolf: 2.41, Loaiza: 2.43).

Whether or not Loaiza performs nearly as Wolf's equal or ends up tossing batting practice depends entirely on how the Dodgers defense plays next year. Jeff Kent is a disaster at second that will only get worse next year, but the Dodgers could stack up to being pretty good defensively. Rafael Furcal's defense has only gotten better the last few years, James Loney will have an entire seasons worth of games at first instead of Nomar, and Matt Kemp should effectively replace Luis Gonzalez in left. The big question is whether or not Nomar will keep the third base job, or if it will go to Andy LaRoche. If LaRoche mans the hot corner next year, the Dodgers could be a very good defensive team, with only Jeff Kent dragging them down.

In the end, I would rather have Wolf than Loaiza because I'll always take the strikeout pitcher all things being equal and Loaiza's home run rate will go up at Dodger Stadium. However, Loaiza probably won't be a disaster in 2008, and the boost that he gives the Dodgers in 2007 might make him worth it. Had we given up any actual talent to acquire Loaiza, I would probably hate this deal, but bringing him on at no cost makes this acquisition just fine.

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Nomar
There is no way he should start at 3b next year. Laroche has proved, like Loney this year, that he deserves the shot next year. Betemit is gone, and Nomar should only serve as trade bait or as a bench player backing up Laroche and Loney.
Kent hasn't decided to come back next year, has he? Although he can still hit, his D is awful.

by rayg @ True Blue LA on Aug 29, 2007 7:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Kent
Because Kent can still hit for power, its worth having him around at 2nd because we are so power starved, horrible defense and all. Like you said we'll be good defensively everywhere else around the diamond.  

by westside23 on Aug 29, 2007 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Nomar
Yeah, I'd like to see LaRoche and Loney at the corners next year, Kemp in LF.  Don't want any of those guys sitting so we can have another year of Nomar.

by YeagerMeister on Aug 29, 2007 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Loaiza's OK
Loaiza's bad years have been really really bad, but I think he'll do well with the Dodgers.

Who's the '08 starting five, then?  Loaiza, Penny, Lowe, Billingsley ....

... Wells?  Nah.  Stults, maybe?  Even Proctor?

by YeagerMeister on Aug 29, 2007 10:09 PM PDT reply actions  

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Schmidt if he's healty, if not, Hendrickson or Stults.

by Andrew on Aug 30, 2007 2:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kershaw
possibly...don't put it past Grady. Peter Gammon's stated last Sunday night that they are considering putting him in the rotation next year. I guess it depends on how Schmidt recovers.

by rayg @ True Blue LA on Aug 31, 2007 8:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Trading Loaiza
Considering the market for starting pitching, I think it's quite feasible that we can easily trade Loaiza, assuming he's healthy and performs well in September.  That contract he has is pretty good considering the market for starting pitching.

by Rich @ True Blue LA on Sep 2, 2007 6:27 PM PDT reply actions  

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Pos No Player 2012 Salary
C 17 Ellis $500,000 team control
1B 7 Loney $6,375,000
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SP 35 Capuano $3,000,000
SP 44
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CL 54 Guerra $485,000 team control
RHP 74
Jansen $500,000 team control
RHP 55 Guerrier $4,750,000
RHP 60 Coffey $1,000,000
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70 Will Savage rhp
27
71 Ryan Tucker rhp
25
28 Jamey Wright rhp
37

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